Messages: 8,099 Likes Received: 39 GPU: RTX 3080. Thicker XE radiator manages to pull significantly ahead, almost matching SE radiator in push configuration on 1600 RPM. Well if the current case only allows the AIO rad to fit at the top, so be it. Radiator placement benchmarks the top versus front orientations, with push vs. pull setups tested in conjunction with Cooler Master’s 200mm fans. Ok, I have my flame suit on. Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts. Push-pull is not really useful with nowadays rads. I installed it as pictured in the manual; however, I noticed that many others have their fan mounted behind the radiator as opposed to in front of it. Did You Know? 2x 140mm Phanteks front case fans removed. TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. In terms of actual testing, I performed three tests per cooler – obviously testing out push, pull and push/pull fan configurations. © Valve Corporation. Fantastic improvement immediately! A “Push/Pull” radiator setup can be cheaper, higher performance and quieter than some “Push” only setups. Thread Starter New 09 Nov 2019 #3. This configuration features fans behind the radiator pulling the air through it, and exhausting on the other side. Thermochill Recommends push with the PA series of radiators. My suggestion Push/pull. a good rinse in the sink keeps the dust away. rads work best with cold air, having them at the intake is best. Kimbie, you can run an H100i in push or pull fashion within the Air240 case. If you plan to run fans in the top, it will be a tight squeeze, and the front most fan will rub the coolant lines. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. Lets start with the obvious, increasing fan RPM from 800 to 1600 nets greater gains than having push-pull set to 800 RPM. Radiator thickness and number of fins per inch (FPI) increase heat dissipation surface, but also make it harder for the fan to blow air through it. Check out our fully water-cooled prebuilt PCs. Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with airflow at highway speeds. I had the fans in push (exhaust) under the radiator, but it got to be a pain removing the fans to clean cat hair buildup. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message New ROGer Array. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. EK strives for perfection in every aspect – from our products to our service. 2 front and 1 back. My question is, is it better to have them set for exhaust or intake? – Pumps should not be run dry. And in the Part 3 blog, we’ve shown differences between small thick radiators vs large slim ones. As always we recommend professional installation and set-up as no fitting instructions are included. Posts : 24,380. All rights reserved. I don't remember what the differences were now, but it was only a couple degrees C at most. Will Temps be better in front? Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by W@w@Y, Feb 1, 2017. The free end of the measure is against the back of the radiator core, and taken to the closest part of the blade is about 1 3/4" Logically this should be the side of the fan that faces the engine, with the concave and smoothest surface best able to push the air towards the engine i.e. The reason is because your radiator is obstructing your intake which limits the amount of air that comes in, and also the air is not just ambient temp but slightly warmer due to the heat from the radiator. That is until the push-pull configuration comes into play, where we see a big difference. When you mount an AIO in the front of your case as intake, the main trade off is that you will generally get better CPU temps at the cost of GPU temp. Mechanical fans attached to a water pump, pull air through the radiator from the front of the vehicle into the engine compartment. Not the DIY person? 4.4 out of 5 stars 383. Currently have mine on the front with 4 x 140mm push pull configuration. 2x 140mm Phanteks front case fans removed. The fans can also be configured as a puller or pusher, if mounted on the inside it will pull the air through the radiator. In this configuration, the fans are mounted before the radiator and they push air through it. If for any reason you are not satisfied or need help with anything at all, please let us know. Get it as soon as Tue, Oct 27. With this we conclude the push-pull testing, and we hope that we’ve helped you choose what kind of fan configuration is right for you. I have a Caselabs S8 case with plenty of ventilation to pull cool air in. 31 Dec 2018 at 12:18 #10. MOSTPLUS Black Universal Electric Radiator Slim Fan Push/Pull 12V + Mounting Kit (12 Inch) Set of 2. Bottom fans = push (intake). Let us revisit the 800 RPM chart. I will be mounting a push/pull config and I dont know if the screws that come with the rads or fans are gonna be enough. EKWB XE radiator, even though significantly thicker, on low RPM is very close to our slim SE radiator in performance due to the fans having more trouble getting air through the 60mm thick radiator. Premium segment liquid cooling products for DIY PC enthusiasts, High-performance custom loop liquid cooling kits, Affordable, easy to install, maintenance-free liquid cooler with class-leading performance, High-end, cost-effective, plug and play PCs for high performance, Did you know? I have a similar restriction in my case where the front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either. Independent tests have shown that even with a pusher style fan mounted only 5/8 of an inch away from the face of the radiator, there is still a vast amount of air that escapes from around the skirt between the radiator and the fan blades. My question is, is it better to have them set for exhaust or intake? It is a setup where the radiator is sandwiched between 2 sets of fans, which blow in the same direction. The radiator is mounted right below the roof of the case, and the fans are on top of it. There is enough room inside the chassis to mount push/pull wholly in the case and still have clearance for a very long GPU card (More than 320mm) Messages: 12,104 Likes ... do it. I had the fans in push (exhaust) under the radiator, but it got to be a pain removing the fans to clean cat hair buildup. But the trade-off of front mounting would mean that the cool air would've passed through the rad and be a little warmer, and so the rest of the case like the GPU isn't cooled as well. The old HE they recommended a pull. Which do I recommend? But what about the size? I like to push air through the radiator and out the top of the case. I'd prefer to keep the top closed (due to there being a large gap for dust to settle into when the moduvents are removed) Help is much appreciated! User #304588 621 posts. My Computers. Fans move air through the radiator assisting in cooling the engine. Without adequate air flow, a radiator is just a reservoir for hot water. $26.99. Currently have mine on the front with 4 x 140mm push pull configuration. If it pushed air, then it would be battling the air flow when the vehicle was running on the road. Thou shall consider airflow or how a radiator cools. All shrouded fans should be on the engine side of the radiator. I have a top mounted radiator, XSPC RX360, and will have push pull fans. Josey Wales. That's why I made the post. Push-pull fan configuration will allow you to get even better thermals and make sure you squeeze some more MHz out of your hardware. $58.66 $ 58. Sort by. I was wondering if switching those rad fans to exhaust (pulling air through the radiator) would have a major impact on performance. Getting a new case isn't an option. You also can not mount a top radiator unless you have low-profile (LPX) … Fan/Radiator combo are mounted inside the case, fans are not located on chassis rails - main reason is to create a larger channel for intake air to flow. 3. Heisenberg. The radiator needs to be put in a way it is not impeded by any device in the system to ensure you get the most performance out of the cooling system. Difference between Push and Pull Fans. We continue our guides that show differences in radiator performance depending on the speed of the fans, thickness, and FPI of radiators etc. Push. How is your experience in putting the radiator of the CPU cooler in the front or on top of the case? It all depends on your setup. But at the cost of significantly more noise. My loop is going to CPU for now, but will include GPU in near future. Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by W@w@Y, Feb 1, 2017. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience on these push/pull fan options, one way or the other? Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > W@w@Y Ancient Guru. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. I have a x72. intakes blow more than exhausts). Front mounted it is then . Win 10 Pro 19042.685 New … If extra fans are available using them to make a push/pull configuration will result in the same temps using lower RPM. 98. This way the you don't have hot air blowing into the case. Posts : 23,156. On paper, a push/pull configuration is therefore the most efficient. There we see the strengths of push-pull configurations – you can get a quieter system by running fans on significantly less RPM without sacrificing much performance. If you can mount the rad in simple push configuration at the top of the cast, put 2 intake fans at the front and then exhaust out the back and bottom you might see a bit more airflow while still maintaining positive pressure. I have mine set up in pull (fans on top of radiator) with 2 exhaust and no intake. So an obvious question arises, “Is it better to use the fan to push fresh air into the unit to be cooled (positive pressure), or to put the fan on the exhaust side and pull heated air through and out of it (negative pressure) (see Figure 1)?” It seems like a simple-enough question, and it should have a simple answer. I'm not an expert on fans, but, the "push/pull" goes like this....pushing is where it's mounted in front of the radiator, and blows back through the radiator AND the engine compartment. After much extensive testing on UTube (Jay's Two Cents & Linus Tech Tips are 2 good channels to watch) It really does not matter. Join the EKWB forum, talk to our team, share your thoughts and connect with the liquid cooling community. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. Top fans = pull (exhaust). My current case has 3 intakes (1 case floor, 2 case front) and 3 exhausts (1 rear, 2 roof) setup in a positive pressure configuration (i.e. $38.98 $ 38. Comments. I know this will offend some but I am tired of searching partial threads and decided to start this one in hopes to get a couple of answers regarding radiator and fan set ups on conversions. Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: Radiator - push or pull fans? A fan without a shroud is better than no fan. I have a top mounted radiator, XSPC RX360, and will have push pull fans. At first I did a intake push through the rad. Check reviews and buy NINTE Universal Slim Fan Push Pull Electric Radiator Cooling 12V Bottom Row 12 Inch today. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. Hi.my case.,a phanteks p400 only has the front as spacw for 280 rad.to which im using an h115i I have 1x120mm rear and 1x120mm top exhaust i understand that even with 2x140mm intake on the h115i,there is loss of airflkw due to the radiator.but if i add 2 more 140mm fans in push /pull Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. I have an HAF 932 Advanced case, 230mm intake on front and side, and 140mm exhaust on rear. I installed it as pictured in the manual; however, I noticed that many others have their fan mounted behind the radiator as opposed to in front of it. Other thing that we notice is when the fans are running at 1600 RPM, we get far less gain from running push-pull configuration as the single set of fans are managing to dissipate a lot more heat from the radiator, so the closer the water temperature and radiator temperature to the ambient, the less improvement we’ll see from increasing the fan speed or doing a push-pull config. Or maybe you just want that extra bit of performance to cool an overclocked high end rig with SLI/CF and a HEDT CPU? 12" inch Universal Slim Fan Push Pull Electric Radiator Cooling 12V Mount Kit BU. Does anybody know what screw size do I need to mount through a fan, the case AND the rad ? slim fans on a regular thickness radiator; regular fans on a slim radiator ; slim fans + radiator for maximum clearance (how was the … For the rear it would need to be push exhaust (mounted case – radiator – fan) as having it as pull exhaust would foul the radiator against the top fan. I've just bought a sexy white Deepcool Captain 120EX AiO and wasn't sure where to mount it. You can any time opt out of use of cookies. This is the system with a front mounted radiator: Now I'm getting 70c max with an average 58c. We hope to help you decide what kind of setup is right for you and to show the benefits of each. For the front you can go push or pull, whatever you think looks better. Browse our high performance Quantum, Lignum and Classic product lines, Kits and Accessories. and let them also pull air through the radiator. Otherwise I'd just do a totally new build altogether where a front mount would be possible. Depending on the graphics card length, you can also run a push-pull setup like I do for my personal system at home. front of the case placement. So you have a top mounted AIO, and you want to know if you can flip the fans to exhaust? Then do top mounted push exhaust. The main difference between placing the radiator at the front and top is that a radiator in the front could heat components inside the case and a radiator at the top could pull hot air from inside the case through the radiator which could heat up the CPU. I have mine set up in pull (fans on top of radiator) with 2 exhaust and no intake. I have an HAF 932 Advanced case, 230mm intake on front and side, and 140mm exhaust on rear. Push, pull, or push/pull? ... Front, Rear: Blade Type: Curved Blade: Voltage: 12 Volt 16" inch Slim Fan Push Pull Electric Radiator … Right now they are set up as intakes (pushing air through the rad into the case), but this is causing major dust buildup on the top-mounted dust filters. Variations are common on radiator sizes of 280 and 420 but are more or less standardized to 15mm on 240 and 360mm radiators. We’ve tested push, pull and push-pull configurations on 240mm variants of our XE (60mm thick, 16 FPI) and SE radiators (28mm thick, 22FPI). The only exception to this of course is if you were already buying a cheap radiator for a “push” setup! Now you notice that the slim, SE version of our radiator which is only 28mm thick, has more FPI, but let’s see if the 60mm thick XE will benefit from push-pull more than the more densely packed SE. Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with air flow at highway speeds. 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